Thy Experiments Towards Truth Secrets of Shastiamsa Part – 3 D 60 and BCP cum BSP by Saptarishis Astrology

Article by Saptarishis Astrology

Dear Visti, all SJC Gurus and learned members, namaste. Please, kindly clarify the question bellow.

As Maharishi Parashara says, D-60 is everything. I wanted to know more about this subject.

This question arose while studying my own Shastyamsa: if I pick Lahiri Ayanamsa, ketu would be in twelfth house mithuna sign yuti Guru, Sani and Surya. On the other hand, if I chose Jagannatha ayanamsa, ketu would be in Karka (Which is the lagna) and fifth from AL.

Knowing how the curse (of twelfth house) would work on this life and how to make it at least a little bit less painful if possible is very important, right? With lahiri ayanamsa the nodes would take part on the curse in twelfth house. With Jagannatha, it is different, as the nodes would change its position to another sign and rahu and mars would be affecting Moon.

Please, clarify: which ayanamsa to chose, and based on which judgement should we do so? The results from picking one or another would differ much in many vargas and ultimately could mislead the astrologer in applying the right remedy for each situation. Should we chose the ayanamsa based on intuition, or the tradition is the final word on which one should be chosen?

Best wishes,

Raphael

Ps: My tob and pob – 07:00:10 – Time Zone: 03:00/ Lon 47W54 Lat 15S47

SA: Hi

ralmsilva82: hi there

SA: this is with reference to your mail on Srijagganath forum, i seem to have done some work on D60 since 2004 and wanted ur chart details if its ok with u, the message posted did not contain DOB

ralmsilva82: oh sure, it’ll be of great help, thanks

SA: most welcome

ralmsilva82: i was born in 09/02/82

SA: is it 9th Feb 1982 ?

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: Time

SA: location and country

ralmsilva82: 07:00:10

ralmsilva82: Brasilia/ Brazil

ralmsilva82: 07:00:10 am

SA: what is the 10 seconds ? in the time of birth

ralmsilva82: this tob i found by rectification

SA: no no rectification pls

SA: what is there in ur birth certificate

ralmsilva82: ok, 7:00:00

SA: oh ok thanks

ralmsilva82: ten seconds changed the d-24 chart

SA: Sir u would be male female (for dasas)

ralmsilva82: male

SA: are u the Raphal from SJC Guru list ?

ralmsilva82: no, im Raphael

ralmsilva82: the SJC Guru list is Rafal ji

SA: there are many lats long

SA: which one should i take pls guide

ralmsilva82: yes, the right one

SA: timezone too

ralmsilva82: is

ralmsilva82: time zone 3

ralmsilva82: 47w54

ralmsilva82: 15s47

SA: ok pls hang on i will check in other softwares too

ralmsilva82: k

SA: Jhora gives 1 timezone ?

SA: in which name should i save the chart (full name pls if possible)

ralmsilva82: its wrong, its 3 timezone

ralmsilva82: u should save the chart as Raphael Silva

SA: just a sec

ralmsilva82: ok

SA: next to Brasilia, I get Acre, another option Maranhao and many others

SA: which state would it be

ralmsilva82: its Brasilia DF

ralmsilva82: let me check it

SA: distrito federal

ralmsilva82: its the lat/long i sent u sir

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: got it

SA: 8 Aq 42 ?

SA: Asc ?

ralmsilva82: yes

ralmsilva82: u see, ten seconds later would fit better on D-24 chart

ralmsilva82: and also fits on kunda principles

SA: kunda principles do not work i am sure u are told that by experienced astrologers, meaning if u are using kunda for birth time rectification

SA: re D24 lets see

ralmsilva82: ok

SA: ur Navamsa lagna is Sagi ?

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: D 60 lagna is Cancer ?

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: do u have younger brothers sisters?

ralmsilva82: yes, both

SA: do u get along with them ?

ralmsilva82: but sisters r just related by father

ralmsilva82: i’m not close to sisters and have some kind of enemity towards my brother

ralmsilva82: sisters live in another city

SA: so Ketu is in the 3H of siblings in D60 is confirmed

ralmsilva82: well, i love my brother

ralmsilva82: ketu in D-60?

SA: u said earlier u got enemity towards ur brother ?

ralmsilva82: we have lots of arguments

ralmsilva82: but i dont hate him or anything like that

ralmsilva82: i just get too angry at him

SA: thats ok

SA: anyone of them having any mercury related problems

SA: like skin diseases or too mercurial in nature

ralmsilva82: from jhora i see ketu as being in geminni twelf house?

SA: or some accident happened to them

ralmsilva82: oh ok, u see rashi dhristi from there

SA: no

ralmsilva82: ok, they don’t have skin desease as far as i know

SA: i am using True nodes in D60 (at times mean nodes work) but mainly true nodes work far better

SA: with true nodes Ketu should be in the 3H in D60

ralmsilva82: ok

SA: Rahu should be in the 9H of higher vidya (knowledge) and that should give you either learning of some knowledge that is foreign to u (rahu) or a foreign Guru kinds

ralmsilva82: on this life?

SA: did u do any technical education

SA: yes this life

SA: I see some problem regarding father on a broad sense

ralmsilva82: I study social history at master’s degree level

ralmsilva82: yes, u see right

SA: ooh history

SA: is it related to war and fights and struggles, ( i do not know meaning of social history)

SA: ?

ralmsilva82: hmm, its pretty broad field of history

SA: ok

ralmsilva82: u can say i started studying it to understand about my own identity

SA: ok

SA: at the age of 25 anything happened concerning 12 H matters (in D60)

SA: if u are busy we can talk later whenever comfortable

ralmsilva82: am not sir

ralmsilva82: my wife just arrived

SA: oh ok

SA: ok

ralmsilva82: well, i felt like a huge weight was taken of my shoulders

SA: ?

ralmsilva82: my first relationship ended

SA: in ur 25th year ?

ralmsilva82: and i started searching for spirituality

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: pls wait

ralmsilva82: k

ralmsilva82 has signed back in. (03/25/2010 7:40 PM)

 

SA: 25th year would be Feb 2006 to Feb 2007, so did that spirituality search start during this period ?

ralmsilva82: yes, it increased on this period

SA: when did it start

ralmsilva82: i think i broke up with the first spouse on 2005 not 2006

ralmsilva82: then it was a year being single

SA: k

SA: when did the spirituality search start

ralmsilva82: i think in 2005 up till now

ralmsilva82: it was not so much like now

SA: in 2005 after Feb 2005 ?

ralmsilva82: but i wanted to know more about philosophy and things like that

ralmsilva82: yes, certainly

ralmsilva82: the nature of men, etc

SA: when did God start ?

ralmsilva82: 2008

SA: its the key to ur D60

ralmsilva82: end of 2008 i started searching for Him

ralmsilva82: since i started learning jyotish

SA: bang on ur Ketu is in the 3H confirmed

SA: end of 2008 means ur 27th year which means 3H of ur chart and in 3H there is Ketu (spirituality real one ) and also Jyotish since Mer Ketu there

SA: in 25th year i see some Peeda (internal strife), Sun (soul) is activated and suffering (Saturn) and internal search, 9L in 12H

ralmsilva82: nice

ralmsilva82: it fits a lot

SA: 28th or 29th year i see some women related activity or education activity strongly

SA: let me see ur age now

SA: u are in ur 29th year now

ralmsilva82: 28th sir

ralmsilva82: 28th to 29

SA: but in 28th year since there is A8 i see a lot of occult (jyotish) activity

ralmsilva82: i got it

SA: 28th year what u got ?

ralmsilva82: i understand what u say of me being in 29th year

SA: ohh ok

SA: its the nadi way

ralmsilva82: ok

SA: thats how it is calculated

SA: 25th year something to do with wife or children ?

SA: 25th year lord is in the 5H and retrograde hence it could be a year of mental turmoil

SA: i can be wrong

ralmsilva82: hmm

ralmsilva82: i met my actual wife when i was 24yo

SA: 24th year running ?

ralmsilva82: yes

SA: that means Feb 2005 to Feb 2006 ?

ralmsilva82: i met her in 2006

SA: month ?

ralmsilva82: may 2006

SA: that is not 24th year but 25th year

ralmsilva82: ok

SA: reproducing what i wrote above

SA: SA: thats how it is calculated

SA: 25th year something to do with wife or children ?

ralmsilva82: oh yes, indeed

ralmsilva82: my wife is close and is medling on the subject, that’s why

SA: since 25th year is 1H and its lord Moon is in the 11H of wife and children and it is aspected by Venus from the 5H

SA: medling on the subject means ?

ralmsilva82: she was telling me which age i had and things like that

ralmsilva82: and talking to me at the same time

SA: oooh ok

ralmsilva82: now she left

SA: is she round faced or clam composition, am trying to assess how much the moon is spoilt by Venus retrogression or not

ralmsilva82: clam?

SA: or is she motherly ?

SA: calm sorrry typo

ralmsilva82: oh ok

ralmsilva82: she’s very hot minded in disposition

SA: Moon being with Neptune could give fleeting thoughts

ralmsilva82: but yet she’s motherly in nature

ralmsilva82: but she complains on that

SA: ooh so Venus being the dispositor of Mars aspecting this Moon has done it, i was hoping it did not

ralmsilva82: it’s not an issue, we can get along well most of times

SA: thats nice

SA: we must be thankful to God for the good things he has given

SA: well my job is done

SA: ur asc is Cancer in D60 there is no doubt about it

ralmsilva82: do u see curse in 12th house?

ralmsilva82: and i didnt know it was possible to see such things on D-60

SA: D 60 is the chart of past present and future

ralmsilva82: its great sir

SA: what was not possible to see in D 60 ?

ralmsilva82: i thought it was related to previous birth (AL) and the embodiment of all life u passed through (Lagna itself)

ralmsilva82: but i didnt know it would have such weightage in prediction as u showed

SA: the above statement is difficult for me to comprehend as it sounds a lot of theorization if u dont mind me saying

SA: K N Rao has done phenomenal work on D60 some decades back when no one was even looking at D 60

SA: full life predictions can be done via D 60 dear Raphael

ralmsilva82: that’s very nice to know

ralmsilva82: will keep that in mind

ralmsilva82: sir, mind asking u

SA: ur 30th year would be a very important year

ralmsilva82: related to spirituality?

SA: 30,31,32,33

SA: lot of changes, lots and lots in all areas

ralmsilva82: maybe i’ll have a kid by then?

ralmsilva82: i think a kid would trigger many changes

SA: yup a kid does

SA: u wrote mind asking u ? what did u want to ask

SA: pls ask as i will have to take ur leave in few mins

ralmsilva82: ok

ralmsilva82: do u see if i have any chances of learning more on jyotish?

ralmsilva82: and if my previous assumption that i studied it in previous life is correct

SA: a advice i give to everyone when they ask this question is not to do more jyotish

SA: its not good for everyone except a select few and householders should generally avoid is my honest advice

ralmsilva82: ic

SA: the problem is ur D 60 shouts loud on spirituality and occult so i cant stop u

SA: 9L in 12H with Sun and Saturn

SA: in D1 u see 11th lord of Jyotish in the 9H

ralmsilva82: do u think if i further on it i could leave my family or something like that?

SA: pls do not ask that

ralmsilva82: ok

ralmsilva82: yes, depending on the answer

SA: i wish u well but do not worry about

ralmsilva82: i see, ur very responsible sir

SA: if u did jyotish in previous life

SA: from D60

SA: its not easy to see that from Rasi or D60, all else is theorization and many of us on the internet forums have wasted years and more than a decade on such theorizations

SA: wouldnt want u to waste urs

ralmsilva82: sir, im completely into jyotish anyway

SA: if i am permitted to give any good advice

ralmsilva82: and about past lifes, my only objective is to know them so i can get rid of them

ralmsilva82: and be forever in the present

ralmsilva82: jyotish is a mean to achieve that i think

SA: actually Jyotish is a means to learn about ones pending karma so that we excute it in this life and move on in our  soul cycle

SA: predictions about future was only a tool to attract the common man to learn about his pending karma

SA: unfortunately it has now become a tool to make a person addictive towards the astrologer and obsessive to know about the future

ralmsilva82: yes, that’s not what i seek

ralmsilva82: i just want to be in peace

ralmsilva82: and to that i need to learn about myself – and my pending karma

SA: one of the Bhrighu methods of finding One of the major pending karmas is by observing the 6H and its lord

ralmsilva82: rather my Self

ralmsilva82: on rashi?

SA: see it in the D1 and D60, observe it and mull over it for some time and u urself will

SA: be able to decipher it

ralmsilva82: thanks a lot sir

SA: now i must take ur leave, i rarely come on chat or on forums but i somehow managed to see only one mail which was yours and i am pleased to having seen it

SA: wishing u all the best

SA: u have 3 retro planets so take it easy in life Raphael

ralmsilva82: i think its a great niimita that we met sir

ralmsilva82: what about the 3 retro planets sir?

SA: that is kind of u to say that and i wish i had more time and knowledge to give u more predictions via D60 without using transits or dasas which is what i do

SA: i should not be saying this but when 3 retro planets are there , there are many many indications one of them is a tough life or a superb successful life, Venus in ur 5H in D60 u would have suffered a bit in love

ralmsilva82: i did

ralmsilva82: learned a lot from it

SA: something to do with love would have happened in the 16th year of ur life or the 17th year of ur life

ralmsilva82: exactly sir

ralmsilva82: 16 and 17 were major years

ralmsilva82: in love matters

SA: I am sorry u went through that

SA: but all of us need to go through that

ralmsilva82: yes…

SA: see ur D60 lagna is no doubt correct

SA: i hope u did not spend money trying to figure out which is ur D60 lagna or trying to correct ur birth time

ralmsilva82: nope, not at all

SA: good good

SA: unfortunately everyone i meet lands up spending some 200-500 dollars trying to rectify their birth chart and i feel so bad hence i felt i should help u before u land up spending that kind of amount

ralmsilva82: i dont even have this kind of money with me atm

SA: Saturn aspects ur 2nd house so be careful of negative events u predict they can come correct

ralmsilva82: but i felt id be able to do that on my own sooner or later

SA: good

ralmsilva82: ok sir

SA: Jupiter is in the 12 H and it will implement itself in the 10H of career, so be careful that u do not do too much Jyotish or it will spoil ur career

SA: or too much spirituality

ralmsilva82: it might happen indeed

SA: I rarely advice anyoen to become an astrologer due to what i see happening in the name of astrology

SA: thats a non jyotish advice i give

SA: and then i discourage people who are about to get fooled by the astrology of curses

ralmsilva82: lol

SA: there is no such thing as strong as curse, for curses there are different combinations, what u see

SA: if a benefic aspected or in association with 2 malefics is just pending karma regarding it

ralmsilva82: ic ic

SA: struggles very hard ones due to malefics thats about it

SA: but then its easier to fool foreigners with jargons like curses and they feel so strong about it, but its unfair to play with someones feelings and emotions

SA: anyways this is not the intension of this discussion and not needed so i must take ur leave

ralmsilva82: ok sir

SA: May the Force be with u

ralmsilva82: i appreciate ur concerns

SA: u are most welcome

ralmsilva82: and also what u said

ralmsilva82: may the force be with u too

SA:

SA: thanks

ralmsilva82: have a nice time sir

SA: u too

SA: bye for now

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